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Possible to calculate peak widths theoretically?

Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2016 3:25 pm
by deepblue2357
Had an interesting question from a coworker: is it possible to calculate the peak width of a compound from known factors (column length, phase, temp, pressure, etc)? If so, what would have to be known?

My first instinct is "no, just run a test" because I've never even tried that before but I'm wondering if it is even theoretically possible if all necessary information is available.

Re: Possible to calculate peak widths theoretically?

Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2016 3:52 pm
by HPLC chemist
No. Since the peak width depends on the API (target molecule) and its differential solubility between the stationary and mobile phase. Detector sensitivity too.

Re: Possible to calculate peak widths theoretically?

Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2016 4:41 pm
by tom jupille
Actually, it *is* possible but as you suggest, it ain't easy! If you want to wallow in it, get a copy of Giddings' "Dynamics of Chromatography" (here's a link to it on Amazon: http://tinyurl.com/hrfyv75 )

Re: Possible to calculate peak widths theoretically?

Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2016 10:27 pm
by lmb
Of course it is possible to predict the peak widths theoretically. Check, for example, section “10.8.3 Peak Width”, pages 283-294, in chapter 10 of L.M. Blumberg, Temperature-Programmed Gas Chromatography, Wiley-VCH, 2010.

Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/Temperature-Prog ... g=UTF8&me=

It was also possible some time ago to buy a pdf file of a single chapter from the publisher for $35.00: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1 ... 5.ch10/pdf

Depending on specific conditions, expressions for the peak width calculations can be simpler or more complex. Probably the simplest case is the single-ramp temperature program in GC-MS at constant pressure. Suppose that the carrier gas is helium at the flow rate recommended in Agilent GC manuals (for helium, it is 8×ID×mL/min/mm) and heating rate is optimal (10 ºC per void time). Then all peaks eluting at the temperatures that are more than 60 ºC higher than the initial temperature of the heating ramp should have approximately the same widths. The half-height widths (w) of these peaks can be estimated with about 20% accuracy as:

w = (52 ms/m)×L

where L is the column length.

(Taking into account more details (as, for example, a predictable slight peak width increase during the ramp), more accurate theoretical predictions are possible.)

It is interesting to notice that the peak widths in GC-MS are proportional to the column length and do not depend on the column ID (internal diameter).

Example: ID=0.25 mm, L=30 m, initial temperature of the heating ramp is 40 ºC. The flow rate in this case is 8×0.25 mm×mL/min/mm = 2 mL/min resulting in 1 min void time for which the optimal heating rate is 10 ºC/min. Under these conditions, the peaks eluting when the column temperature is higher than 100 ºC have widths:

w = (52 ms/m)×30 m = 1.56 s.

Check it experimentally.

Good luck.

Re: Possible to calculate peak widths theoretically?

Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2016 11:10 am
by tkubowicz
Hello

This discussion reminds me a bit (with all respect for all Chromforum users) mathematic discussion and experiments trying to predict time for 100m run. There are at least few equations for it...But can we really calculate it? :)

Regards

Tomasz Kubowicz